diff --git a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoelbow/en.md b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoelbow/en.md
index 36f254285f8..af48fff8e99 100644
--- a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoelbow/en.md
+++ b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoelbow/en.md
@@ -2,6 +2,11 @@
 title: Shoulder to elbow
 ---
 
-The **shoulder to elbow** measurement runs from the edge of your shoulder down to your elbow.
+The **shoulder to elbow** measurement runs from the tip of your shoulder down to your elbow.
 
-To measure your **shoulder to elbow**, start at the edge of your shoulder, where your sleeve starts at a well-fitting shirt. Follow your arm down to your elbow.
+To measure your **shoulder to elbow**, start at the tip of your shoulder,
+the tip or corner of the protruding bone that is located where the
+top of the shoulder meets the side of the arm.
+It is also where the top of the shoulder seam sits and the sleeve begins
+on a well-fitting dress shirt,
+Follow your arm down to your elbow.
diff --git a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoshoulder/en.md b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoshoulder/en.md
index a2b84641a0f..597c2fab89d 100644
--- a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoshoulder/en.md
+++ b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertoshoulder/en.md
@@ -4,5 +4,9 @@ title: Shoulder to shoulder
 
 The **shoulder to shoulder** measurement runs from the tip of your shoulder on one side across your back to the tip of your other shoulder.
 
-To measure your **shoulder to shoulder** find the edge of your shoulder where on a good fitting shirt the shoulder seam would sit.
+To measure your **shoulder to shoulder** find the tip of your shoulder,
+the tip or corner of the protruding bone that is located where the
+top of the shoulder meets the side of the arm.
+It is also where the top of the shoulder seam sits and the sleeve begins
+on a well-fitting dress shirt,
 Then, measure from there across your back to the same point at the other side.
diff --git a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertowrist/en.md b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertowrist/en.md
index 9e3d37622b7..1f4a84b2d6d 100644
--- a/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertowrist/en.md
+++ b/markdown/org/docs/measurements/shouldertowrist/en.md
@@ -2,7 +2,11 @@
 title: Shoulder to wrist
 ---
 
-The **shoulder to wrist** measurement determines your sleeve length, and runs from the shoulder point along the arm to your wrist.
+The **shoulder to wrist** measurement determines your sleeve length, and runs from the tip of your shoulder along the arm to your wrist.
 
-To measure your **shoulder to wrist** measurement, place your tape measure at your shoulder point.
+To measure your **shoulder to wrist** measurement, place your tape measure at the tip of your shoulder,
+the tip or corner of the protruding bone that is located where the
+top of the shoulder meets the side of the arm.
+It is also where the top of the shoulder seam sits and the sleeve begins
+on a well-fitting dress shirt,
 Let your arm hang naturally in a slight bend, and measure along your slightly bent arm up to your wrist.